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The sages spoke of this, and Tony Robbins at Restoration of Torah does a great job of unpacking it, especially in the second half of his video at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvtl6Bpv0BA
- eved Melekh (4/15/2018 2:30:05 PM)
Noahs son sleeping with Noahs wife?
Leviticus 20: ....,11 (for sure).
The jist of it: ... sleeping with a fathers wife is "as exposing his nakedness."
- hmm... (4/8/2018 5:57:38 AM)
Was it because he was looking upon Noahs "wife," who was "his" (noahs)? I have heard it referenced to another scripture. ?
It was just a recent comment from someone I heard. Looking upon a mans wife, a big deal if done in a certain way.
- hmm... (4/8/2018 5:25:40 AM)
Matthew Henry Commentary
II. Noah's sin and shame: He planted a vineyard....
III. Ham's impudence and impiety: He saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren, Genesis 9:22. To see it accidentally and involuntarily would not have been a crime; but, 1. He pleased himself with the sight...
IV. The pious care of Shem and Japheth to cover their poor father's shame...
1. He pronounces a curse on Canaan the son of Ham (Genesis 9:25).... [MHC]
Inspired Commentary
Most commentaries have similar content deciphering this portion of Torah. I am not stating that I am smarter or even correct in my assumptions but the commentaries on this passage have left me a bit confused on this biblical account. Instead of reiterating what others say, I wish to establish what I see as a possible analysis of this portion of the Torah.
Let's open at the beginning of this version and define the scripture to its entirety as given to us by Moses. First,àÄéùÑ äÈàÂãÈîÈä [to be] an husbandman #0376 àÄéùÑ iysh {eesh}N M; man, mortal man, person, mankind and #0127 àÂãÈîÈä ' adamah {ad-aw-maw'}N F; ground or land. At first glance, one would make out that ðÉçÇ Noach was a man of the ground, a farmer per say. Now, bear with me as I attempt to examine this as what see as Jewish metaphorical imagery. We know that ðÉçÇ Noach is the main subject of this phrase because everything in this sentence points back to him. Then we discover that he is the man of the land, or is there another perspective to what may be suggested? I agree that àÄéùÑ (iysh) is a word for man or husband but the word used here is a form of iysh #0582àÁðוֹùÑ ' enowsh {en-oshe'} which is properly a mortal, hence a man in general (singly or collectively). It becomes discernible that the terminology is suggestive that there is more than one man or a people, if you will allow me some leniency. Then he planted, #5193 ðÈèÇò nata` {naw-tah'} Verb - Qal Imperfect; to plant, fasten, fix, establish a #3754 ëÌÆøÆí kerem {keh'-rem} a garden or vineyard. Planted here would give the impression of an establishment of something and one would only need to read verse 18 to see what ðÉçÇ Noach initiated, any individual can distinguish that it was by means of his sons that he founded a lineage of future peoples. Then, vineyard throughout the scriptures, is a symbol for the people of God; so, why should this be any different in this narrative. Thereby, a people of God will come from his lineage. Then in verse 21, and he drank, #8354 ùÑÈúÈä shathah {shaw-thaw'} Verb - Qal Imperfect; to drink, of drinking the cup of God's wrath, of slaughter, of wicked deeds; of the wine, #3196 éÇéÄï yayin {yah'-yin}. In Hebrew, the word is “yayin”, denoting fermentation is a Symbol of Sin especially in wine where “leaven” or yeast, is used to make the wine ferment. And was drunken, evokes #7937 ùÑÈëÇø shakar {shaw-kar'} Verb - Qal Imperfect; to be or become drunk or drunken, be intoxicated, and he was uncovered, indicates #1540 âÌÈìÇä galah {gaw-law'} to be disgracefully exposed. The symbols of intoxication and nakedness are usually found in scripture for those who indulge in Sin and then having it publically exposed, respectively. Do you see where I’m going here? If this were a sin of ðÉçÇ Noach’s, then where is God’s retort to the sin of this once obedient Servant, who behaved in such a reprehensible manner. God’s silence at this juncture is probably due to this storyline being written in Jewish prose and all the events are in metaphorical symbology. And now, to finish this verse, where is ðÉçÇ Noach during the events that happened in this prophetic discourse. It states that he was within his tent, #8432 úÌÈåÆêÀ tavek {taw'-vek} N M; meaning to sever; a bisection, that is, (by implication) the centre: among (-st), X (there-, where-) in (-to), middle, mid [-night], midst (among), and #0168àÉäÆì ' ohel {o'-hel} N M; nomad's tent, and thus symbolic of wilderness life, transience, dwelling, home, habitation; which concludes for me that ðÉçÇ Noach in this account is meant as pertaining to a nomadic people that dwell in a wilderness area so as to call it home, much like Abram and his lineage. See Genesis 9:22 for the rest.
- Revgrad (9/6/2017 12:45:55 PM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvtl6Bpv0BA
- eved Melekh (4/15/2018 2:30:05 PM)
Noahs son sleeping with Noahs wife?
Leviticus 20: ....,11 (for sure).
The jist of it: ... sleeping with a fathers wife is "as exposing his nakedness."
- hmm... (4/8/2018 5:57:38 AM)
Was it because he was looking upon Noahs "wife," who was "his" (noahs)? I have heard it referenced to another scripture. ?
It was just a recent comment from someone I heard. Looking upon a mans wife, a big deal if done in a certain way.
- hmm... (4/8/2018 5:25:40 AM)
Matthew Henry Commentary
II. Noah's sin and shame: He planted a vineyard....
III. Ham's impudence and impiety: He saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren, Genesis 9:22. To see it accidentally and involuntarily would not have been a crime; but, 1. He pleased himself with the sight...
IV. The pious care of Shem and Japheth to cover their poor father's shame...
1. He pronounces a curse on Canaan the son of Ham (Genesis 9:25).... [MHC]
Inspired Commentary
Most commentaries have similar content deciphering this portion of Torah. I am not stating that I am smarter or even correct in my assumptions but the commentaries on this passage have left me a bit confused on this biblical account. Instead of reiterating what others say, I wish to establish what I see as a possible analysis of this portion of the Torah.
Let's open at the beginning of this version and define the scripture to its entirety as given to us by Moses. First,àÄéùÑ äÈàÂãÈîÈä [to be] an husbandman #0376 àÄéùÑ iysh {eesh}N M; man, mortal man, person, mankind and #0127 àÂãÈîÈä ' adamah {ad-aw-maw'}N F; ground or land. At first glance, one would make out that ðÉçÇ Noach was a man of the ground, a farmer per say. Now, bear with me as I attempt to examine this as what see as Jewish metaphorical imagery. We know that ðÉçÇ Noach is the main subject of this phrase because everything in this sentence points back to him. Then we discover that he is the man of the land, or is there another perspective to what may be suggested? I agree that àÄéùÑ (iysh) is a word for man or husband but the word used here is a form of iysh #0582àÁðוֹùÑ ' enowsh {en-oshe'} which is properly a mortal, hence a man in general (singly or collectively). It becomes discernible that the terminology is suggestive that there is more than one man or a people, if you will allow me some leniency. Then he planted, #5193 ðÈèÇò nata` {naw-tah'} Verb - Qal Imperfect; to plant, fasten, fix, establish a #3754 ëÌÆøÆí kerem {keh'-rem} a garden or vineyard. Planted here would give the impression of an establishment of something and one would only need to read verse 18 to see what ðÉçÇ Noach initiated, any individual can distinguish that it was by means of his sons that he founded a lineage of future peoples. Then, vineyard throughout the scriptures, is a symbol for the people of God; so, why should this be any different in this narrative. Thereby, a people of God will come from his lineage. Then in verse 21, and he drank, #8354 ùÑÈúÈä shathah {shaw-thaw'} Verb - Qal Imperfect; to drink, of drinking the cup of God's wrath, of slaughter, of wicked deeds; of the wine, #3196 éÇéÄï yayin {yah'-yin}. In Hebrew, the word is “yayin”, denoting fermentation is a Symbol of Sin especially in wine where “leaven” or yeast, is used to make the wine ferment. And was drunken, evokes #7937 ùÑÈëÇø shakar {shaw-kar'} Verb - Qal Imperfect; to be or become drunk or drunken, be intoxicated, and he was uncovered, indicates #1540 âÌÈìÇä galah {gaw-law'} to be disgracefully exposed. The symbols of intoxication and nakedness are usually found in scripture for those who indulge in Sin and then having it publically exposed, respectively. Do you see where I’m going here? If this were a sin of ðÉçÇ Noach’s, then where is God’s retort to the sin of this once obedient Servant, who behaved in such a reprehensible manner. God’s silence at this juncture is probably due to this storyline being written in Jewish prose and all the events are in metaphorical symbology. And now, to finish this verse, where is ðÉçÇ Noach during the events that happened in this prophetic discourse. It states that he was within his tent, #8432 úÌÈåÆêÀ tavek {taw'-vek} N M; meaning to sever; a bisection, that is, (by implication) the centre: among (-st), X (there-, where-) in (-to), middle, mid [-night], midst (among), and #0168àÉäÆì ' ohel {o'-hel} N M; nomad's tent, and thus symbolic of wilderness life, transience, dwelling, home, habitation; which concludes for me that ðÉçÇ Noach in this account is meant as pertaining to a nomadic people that dwell in a wilderness area so as to call it home, much like Abram and his lineage. See Genesis 9:22 for the rest.
- Revgrad (9/6/2017 12:45:55 PM)
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